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Ep.136 The Art of Homeopathy, Holistic Health, and Patient-Centered Care with Pam Klein

• Michele Henning Folan • Episode 136

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Are you looking for a natural, personalized approach to health and wellness that truly resonates with your unique needs? In this episode, we dive into the world of homeopathy with Pam Klein, an experienced homeopathic practitioner whose journey from special education and art to holistic healing is as inspiring as it is enlightening. Pam’s compassionate, patient-centered approach blends creativity and care, offering fresh insights into how homeopathy can transform your health.

Join us as we explore the fascinating roots of homeopathy, founded by Dr. Samuel Hahnemann, and its guiding principle of "like cures like." We’ll uncover how substances that cause symptoms in healthy individuals can be used to treat similar ailments, and how homeopathy tailors remedies specifically to each person's physical, emotional, and mental well-being. Whether you’re dealing with chronic conditions like anxiety or digestive issues, or recovering from an injury, homeopathy offers a personalized path to healing.

Pam also clarifies the difference between homeopathy and herbal medicine, highlighting how homeopathic remedies are precisely crafted from natural elements for optimal effectiveness. You’ll also hear about the exciting ongoing research that continues to shape homeopathy’s future and its place in modern healthcare, especially in regions like India and Europe where it’s widely embraced.

In this episode, we’ll emphasize the holistic nature of homeopathy and its potential to complement traditional Western medicine. Pam believes in viewing health as a complete picture, where emotional, physical, and lifestyle factors all play important roles in healing. Whether through virtual or in-person consultations, homeopathy offers an adaptable, compassionate approach to wellness.

Tune in and discover how homeopathy can become a powerful ally on your health journey, bringing balance and healing to both body and mind.


You can find Pam Klein at:
www.homeopathytoheal.com

Pam offers a 20-minute complimentary consult to anyone interested in exploring homeopathy treatment. She sees patients in person and virtually.

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Michele Folan:

health, wellness, fitness and everything in between. We're removing the taboo from what really matters in midlife. I'm your host, Michelle Folan, and this is Asking for a Friend. Welcome to the show. Everyone, we all hear it.

Michele Folan:

There is a cry to clean up our food supply and focus on being a healthier country. No matter which side you're on, we can all agree that there is much needed change that has to happen across the board. Our desire to be healthier and less dependent on traditional medicine, pharmaceuticals and surgery may have people looking in different directions and doing research on alternatives. We are already seeing the area of functional medicine blossom, but what if you wish to go beyond Western medicine? What other options might you have to facilitate self-healing? Today, we're going to dive into the practice of homeopathy.

Michele Folan:

Pam Klein is a homeopathic practitioner who helps her patients along in the healing process. She's trained with some of the top homeopathic practitioners in England, india and the US. Welcome to Asking for a Friend, Pam Klein. Thank you, nice to be here. Oh, it's great to see you again. Pam and I did have a really robust conversation a while back and we decided this would be a very good fit for the show and for our audience. Before I jump in. I would like for you to just tell the audience a little bit more about you, pam, where you're from and also your career path, because I always think that's really interesting when women share, kind of, how they got to where they are today.

Pam Klein:

Well, I live in San Diego, california. I'm originally from New York City. I grew up in New York City, so I still consider myself a New Yorker in a lot of ways. My career I've been doing homeopathy for quite a long time. I've known of it for 33 years. I started studying reading at that point and then enrolled in a program about three years later when my sons were a little bit older. Before that I had been a special ed teacher. I did different types of jobs sold Bir, sold Birkenstock shoes and did artwork, wove tapestries, which I am starting to. I'm back doing that again.

Pam Klein:

I always kind of say that whatever we've done in our lives is never a waste. We use it in some way or another, whether we're actually doing that particular type of work. Still, I mean my background in homeop, in special ed. I use obviously and um, and maybe even as an artist too. I use that because I I look at when I meet with a patient as a homeopath. I'm putting together pieces. You know the. I'm witnessing the patient. I'm putting together the pieces of the person to make this whole to then know what homeopathic remedy to give to them.

Michele Folan:

This is kind of interesting because you're an artist and so you still have this creative outlet with tapestries. But you're also a teacher and I think many times that's something that gets missed in medicine is the teaching part. You know it's write a prescription and send the person out the door without really informing and teaching the patient exactly what's going on and why you're prescribing something. So you kind of bring it all full circle with some of the things that you've done in life. So it's very, very interesting. I want to dive into homeopathy. Can you give us the 411 on what homeopathy is?

Pam Klein:

Well, first of all, the word homeopathy means similar suffering, and it's not a great line, but really it's kind of reflecting what the main principle of homeopathy is is like cures, like giving the similar of what the person's experiencing in their health, in their symptoms, in their state of not being well, in the form of the homeopathic remedy and there are over 4,000 different homeopathic remedies and it is a form of medicine that has been around since the late 1700s and it's its own form of medicine. So it's really looking at each of us. We each experience what bothers us in our own unique way. Two people could come in with a similar diagnosis and have some of the same symptoms, yet they experience it uniquely to them. So my job as a homeopath and any other homeopath is to really find out about this individual, so then to know what homeopathic remedy is similar to what they're experiencing.

Pam Klein:

There is a philosophy behind it, there's a history behind it. It was developed in the late 1700s by Dr Samuel Hahnemann, a German physician, who's very disillusioned with how medicine was practiced at the time, and I mean, I can go in depth about that, but we don't have a lot of time but he came to this I don't know if it's not a theory, but to this you know how we respond to things that a medicine can be healing to somebody when it's similar to what they're experiencing and that's the light cures. Light, or the law of similars, or the similar suffering. And if people are interested to Google Samuel Hahnemann, suffering, and if people are interested to Google Samuel Hahnemann.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, okay, and so, first of all, you're treating the whole patient, so you have to probably ask a ton of questions and really get to know the patient.

Pam Klein:

Well, yes, I always ask why are you here? That's the first question. And often somebody will talk and talk and talk and talk and other people will just give like one or two sentences. I write down everything that the person says verbatimly, because their language, the choice of words, their hand gestures, their movement are all expressive of this individual person. So I do have my set questions.

Pam Klein:

Yet I am really following the patient where you know what I'll ask about, I'll tell. Very often I'll say tell me more. What is this like? What's the sensation of this? How do you feel it in your body? When did it start? So it's really listening to them and having them kind of lead me of where we're going to go. You know, I do ask about fears. I do ask about dreams, past medical history, family medical history. What was going on when this started? If it's a mother of a child, what was your pregnancy like? What was the birth like? But I am then just witnessing and listening and observing what the person is sharing with me. My job is to find out about the person.

Michele Folan:

And if they're currently being treated by a doctor with Western medicine, do they continue on with that treatment or do you make changes? How does that work?

Pam Klein:

Well, a lot of times people do come to homeopathy and they have been seeing or receiving Western treatment medications. I can never tell anyone to go off because I'm not an MD. You can and I don't know if you're asking this you can use homeopathy along Western medicine, but a lot of times people have found that they're on medication and it's not really doing anything. So I get a variety. Some people are on medication, some people are not, and I just kind of like again, it's looking at the person. I don't know if I'm answering your question.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, you are so when you have a patient that comes to you, what kind of conditions are you?

Pam Klein:

typically seeing Variety, absolutely variety. First of all, I want to say that homeopathy is wonderful for first aid type of situations like a burn or a fall or a head injury or a cut. It's also wonderful for acute health issues like the flu or earaches or the coronavirus. It was excellent for and then chronic conditions that have been occurring for a period of time, and this can range from.

Pam Klein:

People come in for I'm trying to, I go back to what people have called me about or come in well, coughs, digestive issues, women's issues, endometriosis, endometriosis, ovarian cyst, anxiety, depression, fears, separation, anxiety with a five-year-old little girl. I want to say I said fears, I mean I could rashes, eczema, psoriasis, I mean arthritis, pain, I mean anything and everything. Because really what it is is that it's looking at this individual and we all have our own sensitivity, meaning that when we become ill, we you know some people say, oh, I always get headaches or I have digestive issues we all have our own sensitivity areas in our body or how we respond. So really what we want to do is kind of quiet that down in a way do is kind of quiet that down in a way.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, okay. And then you said that there's over 4,000 preparations that you can use that are out there, that have been developed. Are there actual companies that make these medicines, or are you creating them for each individual patient that you see?

Pam Klein:

There are over 4,000 homeopathic remedies. They're made in homeopathic pharmacies in a very specific way that Samuel Hahnemann developed so many years ago and I don't necessarily we have the time to go into that, but at a certain point it's the energetic pattern of that particular substance and there are different strengths or potencies of remedies Remedies so I do not make them. I order from actually two pharmacies because I prefer them, one in Northern California and one in England. There are quite a few pharmacies all over the world and there are different potencies or strengths. I don't know if the listeners have ever seen Arnica Montana, which people often use as a cream, but it is a homeopathic remedy in a kind of a pill, pellet form and you often see the name Arnica. It's wonderful for injuries or falls or bruising as well, as that's a first aid-ish kind of issue. But it's wonderful for someone might be in that kind of chronic state, as a long-going chronic state, and you'll see that it has a number or an X or a C afterwards that indicates the strength or potency of that particular vial of the homeopathic remedy Remedies are made from and this is where it gets a little confused with other healing types of modalities.

Pam Klein:

They're made from plants and herbs. It's not herbal medicine. It's made from the periodic table, like metals and minerals. It's made from animals, like the feather from a bird, milk from, uh, mammals, from animals that live in the ocean, from insects, from butterflies, from snakes, from spiders. Even the sun sunlight has been made into homeopathic remedy. The mobile phone has been made into a homeopathic remedy, which I have given to several people. So that's why I say there's over 4,000, plus any substance that's on our planet Earth may have or can be made into a homeopathic remedy. And again I'm saying that it's not herbal medicine. People often confuse it or think it is. You know Okay.

Michele Folan:

So is someone out there doing research on adding to the remedies that you already have at hand? I mean, is there active development of new remedies? Yes, yes.

Pam Klein:

I mean it's what we call provings are done, and that is approving is when a substance is made into a homeopathic remedy and then given to a group of people and this is what Samuel Hahnemann had started to do way back and seeing how somebody responds to this substance, and this is how information about that substance is gathered and put into our Materia Medica books and then maybe also indexed into our repertory. So we have this information. So, yes, there are ongoing types of, I would say, provings of different substances. You know, like you could take the periodic table again, Granted, those are things that we have, but someone may have done I mean, I'm taking germanium, which is not something we know that much about, but that has over, maybe it was five, 10 years ago was done in approving to find out about it more.

Pam Klein:

I don't know if that is Okay.

Michele Folan:

What's germy? How do you say it?

Pam Klein:

Germanium, yeah, what is that it's on the periodic table. It's one of the like a mineral, Okay.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, I didn't do very well in high school chemistry.

Pam Klein:

I didn't either I know the periodic table, as I never took chemistry, but I know it as a homeopath. I'm trying to think of something else. That that's of a more recent or which is gold, is a homeopathic remedy. Just any of those that are on the periodic table.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, that are on the periodic table? Yeah, all right. What other healing modalities do people get confused with homeopathy? So you said herbal medicine was one Herbal medicine.

Pam Klein:

Well, you see, a lot of times when I talk to people I'll say homeopathy. People know the word and they will think it means natural. And so it could be. They might think it's herbal medicine, they might think it's supplements, they might think it's essential oils, something like that. Because if you think it's a natural form of whatever remedy that they take, but it's its own specific form of medicine, like it's something I listened to recently, like wind, like an acupuncturist Chinese medicine doctor will look at that like it's a wind condition and that might sort of come into play in homeopathy. But it's not the exact. It's similar, the same, but it's not worded the same. I'm probably confusing you now.

Michele Folan:

No, no, it's okay. You know what? I just know there are naturopaths, there's people that embrace Chinese medicine and I'm just curious how holistic Chinese naturopath, how, if there's any link between that and homeopathy.

Pam Klein:

Well, a naturopath. When they go to school they learn a lot of different modalities Some of them might take, I think they have two or three classes in homeopathy, so they've learned some homeopathy. The naturopaths that I know who actually practice homeopathy have gone on for further training in homeopathy, a similar training to what I've done. So I look at that and I'm not a naturopath. But the naturopath uses supplements, may use herbal or Chinese medicine, some homeopathy, some adjustment. So again I kind of just want to say that homeopathy it really is its own form of medicine.

Michele Folan:

Okay, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back as 2025 approaches. Human nature and tradition prompts us to start looking ahead at goals for the new year. We tend to gravitate toward health goals, many of which may have been on the list for 2024. But that's okay.

Michele Folan:

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Pam Klein:

She was wearing earplugs and earmuffs, was not working anymore, could not go out, could not do activities with her children, absolutely painful, and when we did our first appointment through Skype she had the sound turned off because it was that painful. So it was what I said to her, was written out or translated. Met with her maybe it was I usually lock off about two hours. We didn't do that much time, but it was quite a lot of time. Came to the homeopathic remedy. It really didn't do very much. We did a follow-up a month later, kind of got a little bit more understanding. Gave another homeopathic remedy didn't really do very much, and this is not unusual. She came back for a third remedy, third appointment, and there was something that she said to me. It was just kind of getting a deeper understanding. Gave a different homeopathic remedy. 10 days after that she said to me you know, when I washed my hands it didn't hurt my ears. Wow, that was absolutely huge. It's very little, but it was absolutely huge. We stayed with that remedy, giving it when needed. Increased that strength or potency of it In about two, three months after maybe she was starting to be outside more. She once did a phone call with me. She was at the beach and we just gradually kind of gave the remedy as needed. It's never something that you take, or very rarely something you take every day, because what it's really doing is stimulating your own wonderful ability to heal. I always say it's assisting in your healing, so it's not something you keep taking and taking. And probably nine months to a year she said I got my life back. I mean she still had a little sensitivity, like using the cell phone or you have your earphones on and maybe something like that, but she was able to be out and do activities and be with her children, listen to music again. Yeah, so that was wonderful.

Pam Klein:

Another, like a little girl had this is kind of an acute situation had a cough and had had it for about a week and a lot of phlegm and then she would gag and throw up and her mother called me I've seen this little girl for other things and we gave a remedy and the cough subsided and she also in another time a couple of years, had this extreme fear of the stove in the kitchen. I know that sounds really funny in some ways, but absolutely terrified to go into the kitchen and couldn't be away from her mother, and a homeopathic remedy, whichever that was similar to her, helped her ease that fear. And then she was able to separate from her mother to be in the kitchen. I mean. So it's sort of it's not only just physical symptoms, physical illnesses or states, it's kind of it's emotional as well, but everything is connected. It's not that we're parts yes, we're parts, but we're pieces of a whole.

Michele Folan:

Right, it does make sense, it does make sense.

Pam Klein:

And then I've also saw that people had reaction to the coronavirus vaccine, not only a sore arm, but that they were certain symptoms arose I mean heart palpitations and stuff and I've had a few patients that have really helped that. Homeopathy has helped that.

Michele Folan:

Oh, that's really interesting.

Pam Klein:

Yeah, I say to people it's never too late, it's not like you have a time expiration, that you have to do something right away to relieve, to help if something has happened. Because often when I'll ask somebody when they come in, well, when did that start, what was going on? And they could say 10 years ago. And it doesn't mean that we can't help them heal. That's why I say there's no expiration date on it.

Michele Folan:

When you had these patients that may have had some kind of an adverse event or symptom after, say, the COVID vaccine with the heart palpitations, did you treat all of them differently or did you find that the same method, same remedy worked for all of them Sometimes?

Pam Klein:

the same remedies were needed, but then again it would be the individual. I'm always finding out about the individual. I'm not just blanketly giving okay, you have this, take this. I'm always finding out about the individual. So I wanted to say, though, that homeopathy historically is wonderful for epidemics Like it was wonderful during the 1918-1919 flu epidemic so many years ago ago and often a group of three, four, five homeopathic remedies come up for a particular strain of flu or an epidemic, and during the coronavirus there were you know it was interesting in different parts of the world. Different homeopaths found that there were different groupings of homeopathic remedies that were helpful, and again it could be. Again, it's the individual and also the location. But I always say I know I'm repeating myself it gets back to the individual. For first aid situations. Sometimes it is that okay, you take this remedy like Arnica if you've had a fall or a bruising, or there are remedies that are helpful if there's a cut, that sort of. But you're still finding out about the individual.

Michele Folan:

Okay, is there like a big book or manual where you look all this up, or is it online where you can look and try to assess what may be the best remedy to choose for a patient.

Pam Klein:

Well, there's what's called Materia Medica books, which is telling you a little bit about when approving is done with a substance and that's gathering the information about this remedy, how a person responded, and the Materia Medica there are many, many of them and you might be able to see them online. But they have a remedy and then they break it down into sections, like the mind, which is sort of like the emotional. There's then the head, the stomach, the female, the male, the skin, and so it's broken down. There's also what's called the repertory, which originally was made by an American homeopath in the 1800s, which is like an index. It's again broken down into the different areas of the body and then, like here, like I told you, this young girl had a cough and then she would, she would vomit, so it would be coughing and then vomiting and that's sort of like the symptom, and then the remedies that would be helpful for that are listed under there.

Pam Klein:

So it's an indexing and it's a way to organize all of this information, which is a lot of information, and I have that as a software program and there are quite a few different homeopathic software repertory programs. I say that homeopathy is a very simple, elegant form of medicine. It's that matching like, cures like, and there's a lot of information, not just the remedies, but also the person. The person gives you a lot of information. Yeah, so that's where you know to kind of like what's, what's the themes, what's important, what stands out.

Michele Folan:

And I like the idea because you I think you and I talked about this a while back that I came from the pharmaceutical industry and a medical device, so I've got a good understanding of that. But I like the idea that the body has the ability to heal itself if it's prodded along in the right direction, and you and I had talked about this a little bit with. Last week I was at a meeting it was for Faster Way, the company that I work for and Dr Josh Axe, who is a functional medicine doctor, had a health crisis and, even though he does practice in a Western medicine environment, he really chose to go a more natural path and with using food and other natural remedies to resolve his issues. And I'm wondering then, from your perspective, are you starting to make traction with doctors that are in Western or more traditional medicine? Are they starting to embrace homeopathy a little bit?

Pam Klein:

I've been doing this for over 20 years. I can't say, yes, that they are. I would like to say yes, homeopathy in the 1800s was in the United States, was medical schools and hospitals were allopathic and homeopathic medicine, so doctors were being trained in both. In the early 1900s, with the formation of the AMA and pharmaceutical companies, homeopathy got pushed out. There's no money in the homeopathic remedies. They're very inexpensive and I have to say there's more time taken to really find out about the individual, about the individual. There are some MDs who go on and become homeopaths. They get training in homeopathy and there are some wonderful MD homeopaths out there.

Pam Klein:

I know people hear more about functional medicine and other natural, but I wouldn't say necessarily that I've seen that much of a change. I also write a newsletter and a blog. I'm very much about educating people. That kind of goes back to maybe being a having been a teacher, but letting people know that they have choices in their healthcare, that it's not just Western medicine although you know Western medicine has their place and can do some wonderful things. But some people are not doing well even if they're doing Western medicine and they have choices and I'm very supportive of people in their choice that they can, yes, continue maybe doing Western medicine and also doing homeopathy. You know, I always say, if you get your choice, I get my choice, or back and forth, you know, and we're all so different so I'm not sure if I'm really. I'd like to say, yes, that I think, as I said, people know the word homeopathy, but they don't necessarily know what it is, and homeopathy is practiced all over the world.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, and it just. I did some reading and it looks like India still, China, Germany still there's in parts of Europe it's still used quite often. So I just think it's kind of interesting that we know so little about it. I know, but it's been around forever, yeah.

Pam Klein:

I don't understand why that that's the case, and in India it's very much. There are medical schools and hospitals that teach and use homeopathy, so it's kind of more accepted there. England, south America, I mean just probably in every country there are homeopaths.

Michele Folan:

Hey, Pam, does food play a role in this at all?

Pam Klein:

Food, in the sense that I very often ask a patient is there a certain food that you crave, is there a certain food that you have an aversion to? Because that's a piece of the puzzle. I'm not a dietician, I'm not a nutritionist, so I'm not going to necessarily recommend a diet Food. It's always good to eat healthy food. Going to necessarily recommend a diet Food it's always good to eat healthy food. When we are feeling better in ourselves, we make choices to take care of ourselves better, we eat better.

Pam Klein:

You know, very often moms, when I ask about their child's diet, they might feel a little uncomfortable because their child is craving a lot of sweets, even though you know they're offering a wonderful diet. But this is still this is kind of, as I said, a piece of the puzzle. And I've had one little boy who had such a strong craving for sugar would actually go in the cupboard and eat sugar, and that was again a piece of his picture I won't move. And then he did not want his mother to leave, to go to work, and he would be in absolute tears and even the dreams he told me about were about that. Nobody loved him and the remedy that was given really helped him in not only how he felt emotionally, but it decreased his eating of sugar. So food does have a component, but maybe not in the way you're asking.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, you're correct, so I was thinking. It more is you know food is medicine, but no, you're saying that just from the perspective of getting to know the patient, that there can be cravings and foods that people eat that can play a role in painting a whole picture. So, okay, that's yeah.

Pam Klein:

Right, but I think that food is important to eat. That a very good diet and wholesome food, food definitely.

Michele Folan:

This is me going back to my pharmaceutical days. But are there any drug-drug interactions you have to worry about with any of the homeopathic remedies?

Pam Klein:

No, usually you're doing one remedy at a time. First of all, I will often say that I would tell people don't start another healing modality, like acupuncture, at the same time as homeopathy, because we want to know how you're responding to the homeopathic remedy. We don't want to just keep using something if nothing's happening because it's energy. Homeopathy is an energetic form of medicine, so you're giving an energy and you're wanting to see how this stimulates the person's healing, and sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. I will tell people, sometimes not maybe to drink less coffee, don't use electric blankets. That's energy mint, because there's I mean there's some homeopaths that I mean who are very strict about not doing certain like mint or coffee, because it can antidote the remedy.

Pam Klein:

Again, we want to have as clear a picture as we can get about how the person's responded to this, how they're healing. So we know how to proceed. So, but there isn't a drug interaction? No. What about alcohol? No, but you know, I do ask people, I know, you know, but again, you know again, if somebody drinks a lot of alcohol or somebody uses a lot of drugs recreational drugs too, I mean, what is this? Again, this is a piece of the of the puzzle of the person.

Michele Folan:

All right, yeah Well, and it can mask things too.

Pam Klein:

So if you're drinking alcohol or you're doing drugs, it could mask your symptoms right, and thank you for saying that very, very much so, because sometimes I will ask people like, if they're using a cream, if they have a skin eruption, can we use less of it? Can we kind of mix it with something else? Because the cream actually could be suppressive, could be masking, so we're not necessarily really seeing what the true symptoms are. And it's a way some suppression's a whole nother topic in a way, because a lot of medication is suppressive and it sort of pushes things down and it doesn't necessarily. It's not healing, it's a band-aid.

Michele Folan:

Okay, Now you told me that you do some virtual appointments. Do you prefer to do things in person? Is that more effective? No, not necessarily.

Pam Klein:

In person is always the best. Anyway, I'm not an MD, I don't do a hands-on exam. I will look at a rash, as I say, I think in person is the best. But then some people, I have patients who are not local to San Diego, so we do work virtually, or that I can see them through Zoom or Skype or WhatsApp, and for some patients, I've known them long enough that sometimes we just do a phone call. Again, it's, you know, gathering the information, is not just them telling me, it's through witnessing, it's observing, it's noticing a gesture, it's noticing a sign. You know, years ago I had a little girl and, granted, this was in person, she was moving around my office, you know, under my desk, behind the chairs, you know, and this was showing her energy, this was showing her, and these are the things I want to see, in a way.

Michele Folan:

And then so this child. I'm not going to make an assumption that she had ADHD, but is that something that you all treat with?

Pam Klein:

Yes, and maybe she did have ADHD. You know, again, that's a label and a diagnosis and for some people they find comfort in having that label. I sometimes think it also kind of pigeonholes us. Homeopathy can be very helpful for that. Behavioral issues, children who are on the autism spectrum I mean I really could just list and list and list and list and she did very well on the remedy that was given. I mean that's why with children, a lot of it is observation. I work also with babies. I've worked with a few animals. So they're not necessarily or nonverbal people. They're not going to tell you, but they're showing you through their behavior, through their movements, through changes in them and their caretakers, their parents. They're noticing something. So it's not that somebody has to be verbal in order for this to work. This is so interesting. Find out about them. That's what I'm really saying.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, I have a little more of a personal question for you. What is one of your own pillars of self-care? What's something that Pam does for herself? You?

Pam Klein:

know I'm continually learning, I think what it is. I was thinking about this to take a pause, and you know, if something happens, if I get an email and I feel a reaction, sort of you reaction what is it that I'm feeling? What is my reaction? Do I need to do something? Do I need to respond and give myself some space, whether it's to walk away, whether it's to go for a walk, whether it's just to let it go for a little bit and then come back and reread it, the email, for example, or whatever to give myself that space to whether it's digesting it or whatever? Yeah, and it's a continual learning for me to do that. You know, I think we respond to things that happen. We don't, and we do have a reaction, but we don't always have to play the reaction out. Yeah, I like that and we can. I think we all have our own sensitivities. So why? You know this? This something might hit my sensitivity and is it to be kind of aware? Is this me or is this someone else?

Michele Folan:

I don't know if that how that much. That makes sense, yeah, but I think in what you do every day with your patients, you're kind of doing that with yourself. It's kind of you know what I mean.

Pam Klein:

It's Well it is because I I look at it, that I am witnessing this person in front of me and I've had patients say to me just being there and being able to say these things were very, very helpful. Some people tell me this sounds it was like therapy. Well, yeah, but I'm not giving advice. Space is given and I don't know what's going to come up when somebody starts to talk about what's happened to them in their life. And I don't know what's going to come up when somebody starts to talk about what's happened to them in their life. And I very much need to be aware and not so much consciously but some ways that this is this person and this is me and I'm also holding what they're saying. I'm writing it down, but I'm also holding it, you know, and connecting it. So my listening quality begins to diminish as the time goes on and I can't take any more in and I know, okay, I need to kind of give myself a rest, but I'm kind of entering this person's world, if that makes any sense.

Michele Folan:

Yeah, it does Very interesting. Hey, pam Klein, where can people find you? Well?

Pam Klein:

they might find me under Pamela Klein too, and my website is wwwhomeopathytohealcom and that's H-O-M-E-O-P-A-T-H-Y-T-O-H-E-A-Lcom. I offer a complimentary 20-minute get acquainted call it always is longer than 20 minutes. Very happy to talk to people to see if this is something they want to pursue. People often start to tell me about what's bothering them. I also do write a newsletter and a blog again, because I'm about educating and about choice and I do see people virtually. So not to think, just if you're not in San Diego doesn't mean that you can't work with me, and if it's not me, maybe just even seek out a homeopath. And I do work with babies through older adults. Pregnant women nursing mothers work with babies through older adults. Pregnant women nursing mothers Wonderful for very safe to use. If a woman is pregnant, it's helping the baby, the growing baby, the fetus, as well as the mother.

Michele Folan:

All right, Pam Klein, this was very interesting. I appreciate the education on homeopathy and thanks for being here.

Pam Klein:

Oh well, thank you so much, Michele. This was just lovely to talk with you.

Michele Folan:

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