Ep.82 The Fulfilled Pharmacist Delves into Sugar Consumption, Intermittent Fasting and Gut Health

Think about how many times you've asked the pharmacist for advice. What's the best for poison ivy? What should I use for my child's congestion? Help! Where are the COVID tests? You get my drift. Your friendly neighborhood pharmacist, a wealth of knowledge, trusted and always ready with answers to your questions. 

Lisa King, RPH, also known as the Fulfilled Pharmacist, has your best interest at heart, as she wants midlife women to look and feel their best at any age, while becoming more aware of their health and creating long-lasting good habits. Lisa is also the best-selling co-author of the book, Tiny Life Changes. 

This midlife mom, health influencer, and blogger passionately shares her insights on many of the topics that impact us all. In this episode, we cover:

Interstitial Cystitis, Bladder Health and Pelvic Floor
Understanding Our Sugar Consumption 
Fasting, Gut Health, Mediterranean Diet
The Importance of Community in Midlife

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:07

Health, wellness, fitness relationships and everything in between. We're removing the taboo from what really matters in midlife. I'm your host, michelle Fohlen, and this is Asking for a Friend. Think about how many times you've asked the pharmacist for advice. What's the best for poison ivy help? What should I use for my child's congestion? Where are the COVID tests? You get my drift. Your friendly neighborhood pharmacist, a wealth of knowledge, trusted and always ready with answers to your questions. Lisa King, also known as the fulfilled pharmacist, has your best interest at heart, as she wants midlife women to look and feel their best at any age, while becoming more aware of their health and creating long-lasting good habits. Lisa is also a best-selling author of the book Tiny Life Changes. Welcome to Asking for a Friend, lisa King.

Speaker 2: 1:17

Thank you, I'm so thrilled to be here today.

Speaker 1: 1:20

I've been following you for quite a while on Instagram. I love your post. Thank you. I thought you know what. I've not had a pharmacist on the show. You've got an amazing presence. You really do draw your followers in with some great advice. Before we get started, lisa, tell us a little bit more about you so the audience gets to know you a bit.

Speaker 2: 1:47

Well, I am married to my high school sweetheart, so I met him when I was 16 years old. We have three sons and now I'm lucky to have two granddaughters. It's been just so wonderful to be able to spend time with little girls after the rough and tumble of having three boys. The funny thing is a lot of people ask me on social media am I really a pharmacist? Yes, I really am. This is my 35th year as a pharmacist. It's not a glamorous profession, but I absolutely have loved every minute of it. I did work retail pharmacy for most of my career, so I was the person you were going to for the poison ivy. It was actually even stuff in the frozen section when do you find the ice cream or whatever it may be, but I loved every minute of it.

Speaker 1: 2:36

We all have our pharmacist as our first line of defense. You all have to really be a jack of all trades, really, in regard to your knowledge. Not only that, you have to know where everything is in the store.

Speaker 2: 2:51

Yes, me too. That was one of the reasons I became a pharmacist. Just because my grandmother loved her pharmacist so much. I always say she wanted everyone to become a pharmacist and I was the only one who took her advice. Thank you to my Nana for getting me into this career.

Speaker 1: 3:07

That's great. As a pharmacist, you obviously see the effects of chronic disease and unhealthy habits. When did you branch out as a pharmacist and started the fulfilled pharmacist?

Speaker 2: 3:25

That was about I would say five years ago, that I really started taking it seriously. I started my Instagram page a little bit before that and I really just wanted a way to share about health and wellness. I'm just very passionate about sharing health and wellness whether I'm inside the pharmacy or out. One of the reasons I came up with my name the Fulfilled Pharmacist was working in a retail pharmacy setting. I would see patients who, at 50, would be very old. They would have a mindset of I can't get past this disease state or whatever it may be. Then I would have these adorable 90-year-old women with their red lipstick on who were just still so vibrant and living life to the fullest. I thought that's how I want to be, that's what I want to share with others living not only a long life, but a long, happy and vibrant, fulfilled life. That's where the Fulfilled Pharmacist got started.

Speaker 1: 4:20

I was kind of giggling as I was preparing for this, because I can only imagine being a pharmacist. You're at a cocktail party or you're out to lunch with friends. How often do you get pulled into these conversations of Lisa. What do you think about this? What should I be taking for this? My doctor said whatever. How do you manage that? How do you create some balance or boundaries?

Speaker 2: 4:48

Honestly, it's constantly in my personal life, but I enjoy it. I don't mind it at all. It was so funny. My sister has actually said numerous times she didn't really realize that people went to their pharmacist for advice because she always had me, that she would just call and say how much do I take of this? I wouldn't say daily, but at least weekly. Even texts from friends like how much should I take of this? Or I have allergies, what should I take? It's very sweet. Even a lot of my followers who I'm more close with. They'll even send me little messages in my DMs like what do you think of this vitamin? Take a look at these ingredients. What do you think of this? I appreciate it. I love sharing, so it's not a problem.

Speaker 1: 5:30

I just wonder. Sometimes you probably are like okay enough already, I just want to enjoy myself. No, it's fine, it's fine, it's all good. You brought up your sister. You two co-authored the book Tiny Life Changes. How did all that come about?

Speaker 2: 5:46

Well, we both went through a really difficult time. Right about the same time. My sister was diagnosed with breast cancer at the age of 35, when her youngest was 11 months old. She had her double mastectomy. She couldn't even lift her own baby. She almost had to move in with my mom. Her husband was at work all day, so she was managing having three children. I, at the same time, was going through the downturn of 2008. It was just a difficult time for my family. We both took the experience and change happens all the time but it's just really how you react to that change. We both felt that we came out better people because of the experience that we had. We just wanted to put pen to paper to share our experience.

Speaker 2: 6:30

It's a very simple book. It's a journal-style book we're journal girls Just really about incorporating simple changes to move forward in life, no matter what your situation, and also just about the thoughts that you have that may not be serving you. How to take those thoughts and turn them around to something that can serve you better. I was diagnosed with interstitial cystitis when I was, let's see, about 29 years old. So I'm 58 now.

Speaker 2: 6:58

I've been medication-free for about 20 years, but it was a really difficult time in my life and I still have a lot of women that will reach out to me for this and it's my way of giving back. But you can become in a very dark space when you're living with that chronic pain. So what I do with these ladies and they really feel appreciated is just to help them to keep moving forward. So if they aren't having a bad day, think of something else. What are you grateful for today?

Speaker 2: 7:24

Okay, maybe I didn't feel well, but I was able to stay in bed and read a book to my daughter. I'm really grateful for that. Or maybe I can't jog right now because my bladder is too painful, but maybe I can look into doing like gentle yoga and that might be something that is really helpful for me and I'm looking forward to doing that. So we just keep looking for ways to move forward. Take that mindset of am I going to be like this forever to one more of hope where, yes, I'm feeling my body, I'm taking control of my life and my health, and just keep moving forward.

Speaker 1: 7:55

We've not talked about interstitial interstitial cystitis. I should be able to say that my dad was a urologist. Oh, wow, yeah, but how does it typically present and what is the usual treatment protocol for interstitial cystitis?

Speaker 2: 8:15

Well, you know, when I was diagnosed it was barely known. There's so much more known about it now, and one of the reasons why it is difficult to treat is because now it's thought to be what's called an umbrella diagnosis, so women can have it for different reasons. A lot of the women that I talk to it usually starts off as recurrent urinary tract infections, and I feel that's what happened with myself as well, and then my body was just under so much stress, being right out of pharmacy school, a young pharmacist, a toddler's at home, and it just bloomed from there. But it's extremely painful. Some women may experience it because they have a really tight pelvic floor and that just brings about the pain.

Speaker 2: 8:55

So there's different treatment methods. Nowadays a lot of women see a pelvic floor physical therapist. There are different medications that you can take. Diet is certainly key. There's something called the interstitial cystitis diet and I share a lot about that on my website. But avoiding acidic foods, citrus, coffee, alcohol, chocolate, all the good stuff, but that really the diet, is really what's so helpful in controlling symptoms, especially for me, and that's how I've controlled my symptoms for years now as well.

Speaker 1: 9:24

So there is a tie between pelvic floor health and UTIs as well then.

Speaker 2: 9:32

Well, I mean it could be caused by so many different things. But yes, sometimes that irritation that's caused by urinary tract infections, it causes that autoimmune response where your bladder just kind of attacks itself and then it just blossoms from there and then other women will just get into a pattern of holding their pelvis really tight because they are in so much pain and then that just becomes a chronic cycle as well, and then seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist and learning how to relax that pelvic floor can be really helpful in alleviating symptoms as well.

Speaker 1: 10:03

And you being in the business and having lived through this. I've had a couple conversations on the podcast about pelvic floor health and it really is amazing at all the areas of our life that it touches when you think about having children and our posture and painful sex, and it's amazing and it wasn't even until maybe the last year or two that I even knew that there were actual specialists that helped women through these issues. So this is very fascinating.

Speaker 2: 10:41

It really is. And just speaking about bladder issues overactive bladder I did a presentation with a study that shared that 75% of women will experience even one episode of incontinence in midlife every month. It's something that women aren't talking about. Even with interstitial cystitis, with overactive bladder, sometimes it takes almost seven years to get a diagnosis. A lot of times women just think this is something that I have to live with. It's shameful, it's embarrassing. They don't want to share it with their physician. But there are definitely options. So that's kind of one of my resonating themes when I do talk about bladder health is that you're not alone. Many other women are experiencing this and there is hope and there are treatment options. So it's not something that you just have to live with.

Speaker 1: 11:25

You know, I'm glad you brought that up. I was at a women's event one evening and one of the pelvic floor therapists was saying if you leak urine at any time, that is not normal. You need to get that addressed. And you should have seen the looks on the faces because the women were like, uh okay, we tend to live with things beyond the realm of normal because we don't always put ourselves first.

Speaker 2: 12:01

Exactly. It's just something that's really embarrassing to talk about, and so when I first started talking about this, it was due to being on a podcast, you know, sharing the book Tiny Life Changes, and one of the interviewers asked me about my interstitial cystitis diagnosis. I was kind of not expecting that question. I had shared about it once, I believe, on Instagram. I was like, oh my gosh, why am I talking about this? This is so embarrassing. But I just started sharing more about it and it was just so interesting to me because I would have big influencers start following me. And then I'm like, oh, wow. And then I get the message like my daughter experiences urinary tract problems, or my sister or myself, it's something that's so many women experience and it's just not discussed.

Speaker 1: 12:50

Yeah, we have to talk about these things and I'm pretty much an open book with all my issues. I have the attitude of all right, I'm going to put myself out there. Sometimes it's a little much, it might be a little embarrassing at times, but if I can help one person with an issue they're like oh, I have the same thing, then it's all worth it and I'm okay because I feel the same.

Speaker 2: 13:15

I feel exactly the same. And that's why I'm on Instagram talking about my bladder.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Well, and I think it's also the beauty. I don't. I don't know how I'll do, arlisa, but I'm 59. I'm 58. Okay, I don't really care. I don't really care what people think I do, but I don't. You know, it's like it is what it is right. All right, I want to talk about sugar in our diet. I don't know what it is this last few weeks. Sugar, this sugar that constant glucose monitors. We know that too much sugar in our diet is bad from the weight perspective and that there is an increased risk of diabetes. But how much sugar is bad? What should we really be avoiding?

Speaker 2: 14:05

Okay, great question. What I recommend is the American Heart Association recommendation of 25 grams of added sugar per day for women and 37.5 grams for men. This is a great starting point if you've never looked at sugar consumption before. This number I have been clawed out on because it's actually a generous number and a lot of people will even go to five to 10 grams of sugar. But really just start by reading labels.

Speaker 2: 14:34

So I was not always aware of sugar and aware of my health. One of the first reasons that I started looking at sugar content and foods was after my mother-in-law's Alzheimer's diagnosis, because I knew that sugar was not an efficient fuel for the brain to run on and it's linked to so many things besides diabetes. But it's just can cause that low level inflammation in the body which can be related to cardiovascular disease cancers. Alzheimer's sugar can actually trigger the overactive bladder symptoms. So I just started reading labels, just for example. I like to share this a lot.

Speaker 2: 15:10

Sometimes healthy foods that you think of are healthy can actually be high in sugar. So yogurt, for one. I love yogurt, but if you look at just your regular average yogurt, it can have 15 grams of sugar in it, and so you want to look for the lower sugar yogurt, sometimes the Greek yogurt that has the 0% fat. That's what I'll usually look for Granola. So if you're having yogurt with granola on it, granola can typically be high in sugar those also about 15 grams Then you know.

Speaker 2: 15:41

So let's say, for breakfast you have your yogurt and granola, you already have 30 grams of sugar. That's over the 25 grams for the day. Then you have a protein bar as a late morning snack. That's another 15 grams. So it's not that you're going out and having the sugary Starbucks drink, you're just having foods that you've been told are really healthy for you Yogurt, granola, protein bars and you're still over your sugar content for the day. So that's why it's just so important to read labels, and what I do is I just look at two different granolas, whatever it may be, and look for the lower sugar option. That's how I got started, just to always go in with the lower sugar option with fruit and I can't eat a lot of fruit just due to the interstitial cystitis diet but berries are really low in sugar, so blueberries, raspberries, things like that, are really low in sugar.

Speaker 1: 16:28

So that's a really great way to go too Well and I think it's good to define the sugar source right. If it's White refined sugar, that's what you really need to watch. So natural sugars that show up in fruit are okay, and we're not talking carbohydrate because I think that's the other thing it's. We're not saying carbohydrates are bad because we need carbohydrate for brain function and muscle health and all of that.

Speaker 2: 16:58

Absolutely so. Even you know, with the granola, oh, it's a healthy carbohydrate, but it could have added sugar in there. So that's why you want to look for a little bit more of a pure source, I think. As they always say, shop around the perimeter of the store and then you're usually doing pretty well with you know, fruits, vegetables, natural oats. You can even make your own granola if you really wanted to. But yeah, just that added sugar is what to look for, because it can be really surprising. You'll be very surprised when you start reading labels.

Speaker 1: 17:28

I was laughing because I was like, yeah, well, I eat Greek yogurt, but it has a little fruit cup on the side which I know has sugar in it. Then sometimes I do protein bars. So you called me out and I will. I'll be a little bit more aware after this conversation.

Speaker 2: 17:44

I do want to make a point though, because a lot of protein bars will say that they have no sugar in them, and those will have sugar alcohol, and so sugar alcohol that really can wreak havoc on your stomach. So it's things that end in OL, Like Arithritol, Maxitol, those will be sugar alcohol. So it'll say sugar alcohol and that counts as half your sugar serving. But it can be really upsetting to the stomach. So you don't want to go no sugar either, because with sugar alcohol that can present a whole other set of issues.

Speaker 1: 18:17

It can get you very gassy. Yes, yes, I discovered that, on my own, I was eating these protein bars which I thought were, you know, low glycemic and low sugar, and oh, it was not pleasant. Oh, I got rid of them.

Speaker 2: 18:35

That's what's happened to me with different protein bars as well.

Speaker 1: 18:40

OK, it wasn't just me. I want to talk a little bit about intermittent fasting, because this comes up quite a bit. But I come from the standpoint that one size does not fit all with intermittent fasting. So if you're 30 years old, your intermittent fast may look different than if you're 50 plus. Yes, where do you stand on intermittent fasting and for women who are older?

Speaker 2: 19:08

I'm so glad we were talking about this. I've shared numerous times that I even have a blog post on it about the benefits of a 12 hour fast. A lot of the studies that were done on fasting were done with men and, especially as we age, some women just produce cortisol when they fast for too long, myself being one of them. There really just are so many benefits of fasting. I just really recommend not eating after dinner. That's how I started. I used to be at what I called a nighttime nibbler, so I would just be eating for no reason after dinner. Again, after my mother-in-law's Alzheimer's diagnosis, I was looking for ways to prevent Alzheimer's. So not eating at least three hours before going to bed really just gives your brain a chance to relax, to not be concentrating on digestion, to be able to have that cellular renewal and regeneration while you're sleeping clear the amyloid protein that can prevent cognitive issues. So that's what I really recommend. And people will ask me a lot of times like if I skip lunch, is that considered fasting? No, you want to really be in that fasted state. Sleep is really so wonderful for cellular renewal. So you want to be fasting for a few hours before you go to bed and then when you sleep you'll have all the benefits of fasting for that cellular rejuvenation and it really is just so helpful.

Speaker 2: 20:29

But a lot of women can't really go past that 12 to 14 hour mark and I've seen this with myself. I use a device called Lumen that measures whether you're at fat burn or carb burn, and so many women in their community will share that. Why am I going into carb burn the longer I fast? Because it really I should be burning more fat but they're not. Because your body starts feeling that it's under attack, that you need to eat, and you start producing cortisol and then it's kind of having the opposite effect. So really, just listen to your body. I mean, for me, I start feeling not only shaky but I start having a lot of heart palpitations and that's when I know, ok, I've gone a little too long with the fasting. Listen to your body. It just long fast might not be right for you, and I've done extremely long fasts in the past and that's kind of how I discovered this that it's just not right for me.

Speaker 1: 21:24

I've tried the 16 hour and I get brain fog and I get shaky. It's just not worth it and I like to work out in the morning, to work out fast. It's some mornings is difficult. I don't have the energy that I really need and so I've started. Really, 12 hours is probably my max on many days. I'm glad you were. We got to talk about that, because I think that's an important topic.

Speaker 2: 21:52

Oh yeah no, because I feel so many people are just strictly sharing about the 16 eight time restrictive eating and then so many people will promote the benefits and I love the benefits of a long fast. That's why I tried to do longer fast myself, but it's just not right for everybody. As you said, you just really have to listen to your body.

Speaker 1: 22:12

That's great advice. You do talk about gut health and you were talking about the Mediterranean diet, and then inflammation and reducing inflammation. If we're experiencing inflammation, possibly from our diet, how does that typically present itself?

Speaker 2: 22:30

When people hear inflammation they usually just think of joint pain, that type of thing, but it really can be anything from that brain fog to feeling tired, to GI issues, to mood, so it can present different ways and that low level inflammation really is what can lead to different types of disease states in the future. I was actually just listening to a podcast where it was saying that it is just so tied to cognitive health. So it really is just so important to have that good gut health because that really helps things keep moving. I'm really all about that. So not only taking a probiotic, but having a lot of fiber in the diet through fruits, vegetables really so important because you want to be ridding your body of the toxins and for detoxing.

Speaker 2: 23:17

A lot of people will share that you should be going to the bathroom twice a day. When I studied herbalism and herbalism, they actually feel that you should be going after every meal. That sometimes is very shocking to people too, especially for those who maybe do not even have a bowel movement daily. So you really want to have that good gut health, not only for immunity but mood. It really is just so important on so many different levels.

Speaker 1: 23:44

If someone isn't having a bowel movement every day, first line of defense is diet correct. Yes, Diet, make sure you're getting enough water. Then when do you say, all right, you're probably not getting enough fiber and we should be getting that from food, whether it's chia seeds, flaxseed, whatever, I guess. But then there's metamucil and those types of psyllium type products. Do you ever recommend that to people that are having that issue?

Speaker 2: 24:16

I think that you really again have to read labels here, because you want about 20 to 25 grams of fiber per day and you might sometimes have to ease up into that because you can get GI issues if you go too quickly with the fiber and then also drink plenty of water, because sometimes that can have the opposite effect. If you're having a lot of oats or something like that and not drinking, the water can kind of get backed up. But it can be extremely shocking when you go to look over the counter products and you're looking at some fiber tablets. They only have two to three grams of fiber in them. So really take a look. So you really want to see how much fiber is actually there.

Speaker 2: 24:54

Metamucil I don't know exactly how much is in the powder form. You don't want the one that has the added sugar, the flavored. I don't really like that. I would just try to go with natural sources. You know raspberries are high in fiber avocado, the seeds I love seeds flaxseeds, chia seeds, things like that can really be helpful. And drink plenty of water too, ok.

Speaker 1: 25:14

On top of good gut health. We were talking about the Mediterranean diet. When you are eating the Mediterranean diet, what does a typical dinner look like for Lisa?

Speaker 2: 25:26

Well, first of all, I'm obsessed with salmon. I probably have more salmon than the average person, but I usually we always just have a salad for dinner and you know, some grilled vegetables, salmon, chicken, that type of thing. I just shared this, actually, in an Instagram story. I love smoked salmon, kind of what you would refer to as locks for lunch. I'll just take some locks, put a little bit of avocado in the middle, roll it up. It almost is like, I guess, sushi, so it's something like that. In the morning I usually have eggs.

Speaker 2: 25:58

But I really really started learning a lot about the Mediterranean diet after reading Dr Balter Longo's book, the Longevity Diet, and he is really a big proponent of the Mediterranean style diet. When you really think about the blue zone, some of the blue zones in Italy and Greece, it's a Mediterranean style diet. And I was actually talking to another lady who's an expert on longevity and she was just saying use olive oil. Just you don't wanna be using those refined oils anyway, but just a good quality olive oil in a glass bottle, sate your vegetables in it, use it to cook your eggs, whatever it may be. It's just really just so helpful for brain health. I think it's a fabulous way to eat, easy too, I think.

Speaker 1: 26:40

The blue zones. We may wanna explain what those blue zones are to some of the listeners. I know there was a lot of research done on this, but can you explain a little bit about the significance of the blue zones?

Speaker 2: 26:53

They're regions where they have a lot of people living to an older age. So they take a look at what these people are doing. A lot of it actually has to do with connection so there was just recently a documentary on Netflix about this and so much of it has to do with movement. Daily Just not even exercise, but they just garden and walk and do that type of thing. There's a lot of connection in their area. They're all eating that salmon, fish, fruits, vegetables, olive oil so it's just a very healthy overall lifestyle and different communities have this longer life. There's actually, I guess Loma Linda. California also is a blue zone.

Speaker 1: 27:33

Ah, I heard that that is really interesting. Yes, and so it is possible. We can do that if we affect some good, positive changes. It's not always easy. You had an opportunity to attend the influencers of midlife in Las Vegas and I would love to hear about the gathering and what your takeaways were.

Speaker 2: 27:56

Oh, my goodness, I loved this event. I was actually one of the first people to sign up for it, but this has been just such a wonderful experience in midlife being on social media, being able to share on podcasts like this. The connections that I've made are just really so invaluable and I know for a lot of women as they become empty nesters, as they go into midlife, their lives are changing. They're looking for something more. I was looking for that more, too, when I wrote the book with my sister, but this has been just such a wonderful opportunity that fills my day. I've connected with so many wonderful women. Of course, I picked up some fantastic tips there, too, about blogging and different ways to share my business the fulfilled pharmacist but really it's that connection with women. I feel like I will be connected to those women for the rest of my life. It was just really a wonderful experience. I highly recommend anybody going. There's gonna be probably one in another about year and a half.

Speaker 1: 28:50

I was just preparing for my podcast for next week and the connection piece the willingness of women to reach out and help each other, support each other, be each other's cheerleaders I think is so phenomenal. When we get to this age, we really do wanna foster and continue to make new friends. I love that. So what an important event and really cool that you got to rub elbows with some of your fellow influencers. That's really neat. One thing that I've started doing the last I don't know four or five podcasts is I'm asking all my guests what one of their pillars of self-care is. What would you consider your one major pillar of self-care?

Speaker 2: 29:42

Well, I don't know if this is the right answer, but I love sleep. I don't know if that's really a pillar of self-care, but I really just feel that in the past I would feel guilty about sleeping or taking a nap. But I really just feel that sleep is so important for health and it really just makes you feel refreshed and willing and it gives you that new outlook on your day when you're not so tired and you're able to give back to everyone because you feel rested. So I'm all about sleep. That's my one important thing right there.

Speaker 1: 30:12

Yeah, I don't know if we actually appreciate sleep until we don't have good sleep, yes. And then we're like, oh, sleep's really, really important. I mean, we remember when our babies were little and sleep was a premium then. And then it kind of gets a little better, and then we start going through perimenopause and then the menopause, and then the rug gets ripped out from under us again. I've actually shared with people that follow me on social media that I've gone probably how many days now? 27 days now with no alcohol. Oh, good for you. Oh my God, lisa, my sleep has improved. It's amazing, it's exponential, how much more quality sleep I'm getting. Whether I stop drinking altogether in the future, I can't make that call yet, but I am very encouraged with the results so far.

Speaker 2: 31:14

And, just as a side note, I don't drink alcohol just due to my bladder issues, and so I feel that I honestly don't miss it. I guess I never really had it, but I mean, I feel that it really just I think that you can find ways to still just enjoy company and enjoy a dinner without having alcohol too.

Speaker 1: 31:33

Yeah, and I found some non-alcoholic options, too that I like pretty well. So I do want to ask is there anything that you're working on, anything new for the fulfilled pharmacist?

Speaker 2: 31:46

Well, to be honest, I'm just blogging more. So I really have always have a YouTube channel, which I didn't really keep working on because that just took a lot of time, and I have my website, which I have some blog posts on. But after going to the influencers of midlife, I am really just committed to more blogging. So I'm always on social media. Instagram takes up a lot of my time, but, if that's okay, I need to just carve out more time for blogging, because that is where I can really expand on what I'm saying on social media, because my Instagram posts tend to be fairly long anyway, but just to kind of reach another audience. As I said before, I'm just super passionate about women looking and feeling their best at any age, so just anything to get my message out. So just more blogging.

Speaker 1: 32:32

Well, and you kind of answered that where people can find you. And what I'll do is I'll put all your contact information in the show notes so people can have that.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Fabulous, yeah, and I would love to connect on social media. So, if you are listening to this and hear me say hello on Instagram, I would love to chat.

Speaker 1: 32:51

Wonderful Lisa, thank you so much for being here. Thank you, it's such a pleasure MUSIC.